{"id":9093,"date":"2021-11-23T13:40:37","date_gmt":"2021-11-23T13:40:37","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/TheNextWeb=1373866"},"modified":"2021-11-23T13:40:37","modified_gmt":"2021-11-23T13:40:37","slug":"meta-wont-roll-out-end-to-end-encryption-for-its-apps-until-2023-but-is-that-so-bad","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.londonchiropracter.com\/?p=9093","title":{"rendered":"Meta won\u2019t roll out end-to-end encryption for its apps until 2023 \u2014 but is that so bad?"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<p><span>It\u2019s been two years since Mark Zuckerberg made <a href=\"https:\/\/thenextweb.com\/news\/mark-zuckerberg-plans-to-make-facebook-more-private-with-6-key-changes\">a bold statement in 2019<\/a> about wanting to integrate all of Facebook, er, Meta\u2019s messaging platforms \u2014 Messenger, Instagram, and WhatsApp \u2014 with end-to-end encryption protection.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span>But the journey has already taken a long time, and it might not be complete for another two years<\/span>. Over the weekend, Antigone Davis, Meta\u2018s global director of safety, said <a href=\"https:\/\/www.telegraph.co.uk\/business\/2021\/11\/20\/people-shouldnt-have-choose-privacy-safety-says-facebook-safety\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow noopener noreferrer\">the company is taking its time<\/a> to \u201cget this right and we don\u2019t plan to finish the global rollout of end-to-end encryption by default across all our messaging services until sometime in 2023.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>This drew <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/evan_greer\/status\/1462806374295945229\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow noopener noreferrer\">a lot of<\/a><a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/_andyburrows\/status\/1462411198213799940?s=20\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow noopener noreferrer\">criticism<\/a> from privacy activists as to why the company is delaying its plans towards private messaging. There are some arguments explaining Meta\u2019s decision, but before that, let\u2019s take <span>a look at Meta\u2019s progress in rolling out encryption across its messaging apps.<\/span><\/p>\n<h2><span>Where are we at now?<\/span><\/h2>\n<ul>\n<li><strong>WhatsApp:<\/strong><span>All conversations, including one-on-one chats, business and group chats, are end-to-end encrypted.<\/span><\/li>\n<li><strong>Messenger:<\/strong><span>One-on-one chats are not encrypted by default. The Secret messages option lets you encrypt one-on-one messages; an option to make voice or video calls in Secret mode was added this year; group chats allow you to opt-in to encrypt the conversation.<\/span><\/li>\n<li><strong>Instagram DM:<\/strong> Opt-in encrypted chats for one-on-one conversations.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>So for completely private messaging, WhatsApp is your best bet of the three. <span>The other apps require you to specifically enable end-to-end encryption, so they\u2019re not quite as well-suited for that purpose.<\/span><\/p>\n<figure class=\"post-image post-mediaBleed aligncenter\"><img decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" class=\"size-featured_img wp-image-1368311 js-lazy\" src=\"https:\/\/cdn0.tnwcdn.com\/wp-content\/blogs.dir\/1\/files\/2021\/09\/image-796x448.jpeg\" alt=\"Instagram Facebook WhatsApp\" width=\"796\" height=\"448\" sizes=\"(max-width: 796px) 100vw, 796px\" data-srcset=\"https:\/\/cdn0.tnwcdn.com\/wp-content\/blogs.dir\/1\/files\/2021\/09\/image-796x448.jpeg 796w, https:\/\/cdn0.tnwcdn.com\/wp-content\/blogs.dir\/1\/files\/2021\/09\/image-280x158.jpeg 280w, https:\/\/cdn0.tnwcdn.com\/wp-content\/blogs.dir\/1\/files\/2021\/09\/image-240x135.jpeg 240w, https:\/\/cdn0.tnwcdn.com\/wp-content\/blogs.dir\/1\/files\/2021\/09\/image-480x270.jpeg 480w, https:\/\/cdn0.tnwcdn.com\/wp-content\/blogs.dir\/1\/files\/2021\/09\/image-1200x675.jpeg 1200w, https:\/\/cdn0.tnwcdn.com\/wp-content\/blogs.dir\/1\/files\/2021\/09\/image.jpeg 1280w\"><figcaption><a href=\"https:\/\/thenextweb.com\/news\/facebook-meta-encryption-e2ee-2023-analysis#\" data-url=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/intent\/tweet?url=https%3A%2F%2Feditorial.thenextweb.com%2Fplugged%2F2021%2F11%2F23%2Ffacebook-meta-encryption-e2ee-2023-analysis%2F&amp;via=thenextweb&amp;related=thenextweb&amp;text=Check out this picture on: WhatsApp Facebook Instagram\" data-title=\"Share WhatsApp Facebook Instagram on Twitter\" data-width=\"685\" data-height=\"500\" class=\"post-image-share popitup\" title=\"Share WhatsApp Facebook Instagram on Twitter\"><i class=\"icon icon--inline icon--twitter--dark\"><\/i><\/a>WhatsApp Facebook Instagram<\/figcaption><noscript><img decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" class=\"size-featured_img wp-image-1368311\" src=\"https:\/\/cdn0.tnwcdn.com\/wp-content\/blogs.dir\/1\/files\/2021\/09\/image-796x448.jpeg\" alt=\"Instagram Facebook WhatsApp\" width=\"796\" height=\"448\" srcset=\"https:\/\/cdn0.tnwcdn.com\/wp-content\/blogs.dir\/1\/files\/2021\/09\/image-796x448.jpeg 796w, https:\/\/cdn0.tnwcdn.com\/wp-content\/blogs.dir\/1\/files\/2021\/09\/image-280x158.jpeg 280w, https:\/\/cdn0.tnwcdn.com\/wp-content\/blogs.dir\/1\/files\/2021\/09\/image-240x135.jpeg 240w, https:\/\/cdn0.tnwcdn.com\/wp-content\/blogs.dir\/1\/files\/2021\/09\/image-480x270.jpeg 480w, https:\/\/cdn0.tnwcdn.com\/wp-content\/blogs.dir\/1\/files\/2021\/09\/image-1200x675.jpeg 1200w, https:\/\/cdn0.tnwcdn.com\/wp-content\/blogs.dir\/1\/files\/2021\/09\/image.jpeg 1280w\"><\/noscript><\/figure>\n<h2><span>Why is the E2EE rollout going to take longer?<\/span><\/h2>\n<p>Davis\u2019 primary argument for this new timeline of rollout is to allow Meta to work with law enforcement and safety experts, so that the company can tackle the problem of abusive content. As the company won\u2019t be able to monitor any content behind the encryption wall, <span>it wants to provide users with reporting tools and restrictive controls to minimize the spread and damage of offensive content.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span>David Thiel, an ex-Meta employee and present CTO of the Stanford Internet Observatory, <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/elegant_wallaby\/status\/1462845336288825344?s=20\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow noopener noreferrer\">provided a bit more context<\/a> on Twitter around the company\u2019s plan<\/span>&nbsp;to roll out encryption across all its messaging services. He noted that the firm wanted to accelerate this rollout as it helped with pre-empting anti-trust action and it was good marketing \u2014 but there was no clear roadmap.<\/p>\n<p>One of the biggest challenges was to tackle Child Sexual Abuse Material (CSAM). Thiel said that when Facebook announced its plans for encryption, its systems for encrypted platforms were less than 10% effective in catching CSAM. That\u2019s a huge hindrance.<\/p>\n<p>There\u2019s also an argument about how WhatsApp operates differently from Messenger and Instagram. On the former, you\u2019re mostly chatting with folks in your phonebook, and you can\u2019t really search for people. On the other hand, Messenger and Instagram are about building social contacts and connecting with more folks. So there\u2019s a larger chance of abuse behind encryption walls.<\/p>\n<blockquote class=\"twitter-tweet\" data-width=\"500\" data-dnt=\"true\" readability=\"10.235294117647\">\n<p lang=\"en\" dir=\"ltr\">Please stop with this. Child safety is not FUD, nor disingenuous. Here is what happened with Facebook&#8217;s haphazard E2EE plan, from someone who was there and familiar with the underlying systems. 1\/ <a href=\"https:\/\/t.co\/EBuNIgbnNR\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow noopener noreferrer\">https:\/\/t.co\/EBuNIgbnNR<\/a><\/p>\n<p>\u2014 David Thiel (@elegant_wallaby) <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/elegant_wallaby\/status\/1462845336288825344?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow noopener noreferrer\">November 22, 2021<\/a><\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p>Solving these problems is a tough task. <a href=\"https:\/\/papers.ssrn.com\/sol3\/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3920031\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow noopener noreferrer\">A survey<\/a> conducted by Standford Internet Observatory\u2019s Riana Pfefferkorn, Thiel\u2019s colleague, suggested that slapping on <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/Riana_Crypto\/status\/1436011517544042496?s=20\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow noopener noreferrer\">the E2EE layer<\/a> won\u2019t have a significant effect in areas where abuse can be caught without scanning content. However, the same technique will have some impact on CSAM scanning efforts. You can learn more about the survey, and its takeaway in <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/Riana_Crypto\/status\/1436011517544042496?s=20\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow noopener noreferrer\">Pfefferkorn\u2019s thread<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p>So it\u2019s important for Meta to build a solution that\u2019s private, but helps prevent the spread of CSAM \u2014 even if it takes more time to implement.<\/p>\n<h2>The argument against Meta\u2019s delay<\/h2>\n<p>Folks who support encryption across apps think that delaying the rollout will be more harmful to users, especially children. Evan Greer, director of the digital advocacy group <a href=\"https:\/\/www.fightforthefuture.org\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow noopener noreferrer\">Fight for the Future<\/a>, noted that Facebook might just be concerned about bad PR and pressure from governments.<\/p>\n<p>Authorities <a href=\"https:\/\/thenextweb.com\/news\/whatsapp-india-court-tracability-analysis\">across<\/a><a href=\"https:\/\/www.eff.org\/deeplinks\/2020\/08\/faq-why-brazils-plan-mandate-traceability-private-messaging-apps-will-break-users\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow noopener noreferrer\">the globe<\/a> have pressurized Meta&nbsp;(especially WhatsApp) to enable traceability of messages \u2014 a practice that could put encryption and privacy at risk.<\/p>\n<blockquote class=\"twitter-tweet\" data-width=\"500\" data-dnt=\"true\" readability=\"10.620689655172\">\n<p lang=\"en\" dir=\"ltr\">This is a good thread and I think people should read it &amp; absorb the complexity and details.<\/p>\n<p>But I think it&#8217;s just wrong to say that Facebook is delaying this due to actual concern for safety when clearly their biggest reason is pressure from governments and concern about bad PR <a href=\"https:\/\/t.co\/WiLDGaDNvJ\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow noopener noreferrer\">https:\/\/t.co\/WiLDGaDNvJ<\/a><\/p>\n<p>\u2014 Evan Greer (@evan_greer) <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/evan_greer\/status\/1462861665821724673?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow noopener noreferrer\">November 22, 2021<\/a><\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p>Alec Muffet, a former security researcher at Facebook, argued that encryption has the upside of making conversations of billions of people private.<\/p>\n<blockquote class=\"twitter-tweet\" data-width=\"500\" data-dnt=\"true\" readability=\"12.311526479751\">\n<p lang=\"en\" dir=\"ltr\">I&#8217;ll ask the obvious but impolitic question:<\/p>\n<p>&gt; But that doesn&#8217;t mean that real child safety concerns are imaginary or minimal. 14\/<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;But are they proportionate?&#8221; \u2013 you&#8217;re talking about the risks but not the benefits of making the conversation of 2.7 billion people private.<\/p>\n<p>\u2014 Alec Muffett (@AlecMuffett) <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/AlecMuffett\/status\/1462852044675502088?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow noopener noreferrer\">November 22, 2021<\/a><\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p>Matthew Green, a professor of cryptography at Johns Hopkins University, argued that companies like <a href=\"https:\/\/thenextweb.com\/news\/apple-csam-scanning-experts-concerns-analysi\">Apple have proposed anti-CSAM measures<\/a> in their private photo backup service. So there\u2019s scope for Facebook to deploy a solution that\u2019s private and safe.<\/p>\n<blockquote class=\"twitter-tweet\" data-width=\"500\" data-dnt=\"true\" readability=\"13.291666666667\">\n<p lang=\"en\" dir=\"ltr\">My thought on David\u2019s argument is that \u201cencrypted social networks have a unique abuse problem, they need anti-abuse features that other data doesn\u2019t\u201d seems reasonable. <\/p>\n<p>But here on Earth 1, companies are deploying those anti-abuse features into private photo backup services.<\/p>\n<p>\u2014 Matthew Green (@matthew_d_green) <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/matthew_d_green\/status\/1462926713055289344?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow noopener noreferrer\">November 22, 2021<\/a><\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<h2><span>What are other apps doing?<\/span><\/h2>\n<p>In terms of Facebook\u2019s competition and its security, <a href=\"https:\/\/thenextweb.com\/news\/whatsapp-telegram-signal-privacy-security-comparison\">Signal is one the most private messaging apps<\/a> \u2014 but it doesn\u2019t have hundreds of millions of users. All of its chats and calls are secured behind encryption.<\/p>\n<p>Telegram, with more than 500 million monthly active users, has end-to-end encryption enabled only for one-to-one chats in secret mode. Its channels\u2019 content is public so it can catch illegal activities.<\/p>\n<p>Viber, which has <a href=\"https:\/\/thenextweb.com\/news\/how-viber-achieved-profitability-by-not-following-the-whatsapp-model\">more than 250 million users<\/a> across the globe, follows a hybrid model of keeping one-to-one and private group chats under encryption while keeping public groups open.<\/p>\n<figure class=\"post-image post-mediaBleed aligncenter\"><img decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" class=\"size-featured_img wp-image-1337369 js-lazy\" src=\"https:\/\/cdn0.tnwcdn.com\/wp-content\/blogs.dir\/1\/files\/2021\/02\/viber_image_2021-02-02_14-59-42-796x610.png\" alt=\"Viber\" width=\"796\" height=\"610\" sizes=\"(max-width: 796px) 100vw, 796px\" data-srcset=\"https:\/\/cdn0.tnwcdn.com\/wp-content\/blogs.dir\/1\/files\/2021\/02\/viber_image_2021-02-02_14-59-42-796x610.png 796w, https:\/\/cdn0.tnwcdn.com\/wp-content\/blogs.dir\/1\/files\/2021\/02\/viber_image_2021-02-02_14-59-42-274x210.png 274w, https:\/\/cdn0.tnwcdn.com\/wp-content\/blogs.dir\/1\/files\/2021\/02\/viber_image_2021-02-02_14-59-42-352x270.png 352w, https:\/\/cdn0.tnwcdn.com\/wp-content\/blogs.dir\/1\/files\/2021\/02\/viber_image_2021-02-02_14-59-42-176x135.png 176w, https:\/\/cdn0.tnwcdn.com\/wp-content\/blogs.dir\/1\/files\/2021\/02\/viber_image_2021-02-02_14-59-42.png 1280w\"><figcaption><a href=\"https:\/\/thenextweb.com\/news\/facebook-meta-encryption-e2ee-2023-analysis#\" data-url=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/intent\/tweet?url=https%3A%2F%2Feditorial.thenextweb.com%2Fplugged%2F2021%2F11%2F23%2Ffacebook-meta-encryption-e2ee-2023-analysis%2F&amp;via=thenextweb&amp;related=thenextweb&amp;text=Check out this picture on: Viber\" data-title=\"Share Viber on Twitter\" data-width=\"685\" data-height=\"500\" class=\"post-image-share popitup\" title=\"Share Viber on Twitter\"><i class=\"icon icon--inline icon--twitter--dark\"><\/i><\/a>Viber<\/figcaption><noscript><img decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" class=\"size-featured_img wp-image-1337369\" src=\"https:\/\/cdn0.tnwcdn.com\/wp-content\/blogs.dir\/1\/files\/2021\/02\/viber_image_2021-02-02_14-59-42-796x610.png\" alt=\"Viber\" width=\"796\" height=\"610\" srcset=\"https:\/\/cdn0.tnwcdn.com\/wp-content\/blogs.dir\/1\/files\/2021\/02\/viber_image_2021-02-02_14-59-42-796x610.png 796w, https:\/\/cdn0.tnwcdn.com\/wp-content\/blogs.dir\/1\/files\/2021\/02\/viber_image_2021-02-02_14-59-42-274x210.png 274w, https:\/\/cdn0.tnwcdn.com\/wp-content\/blogs.dir\/1\/files\/2021\/02\/viber_image_2021-02-02_14-59-42-352x270.png 352w, https:\/\/cdn0.tnwcdn.com\/wp-content\/blogs.dir\/1\/files\/2021\/02\/viber_image_2021-02-02_14-59-42-176x135.png 176w, https:\/\/cdn0.tnwcdn.com\/wp-content\/blogs.dir\/1\/files\/2021\/02\/viber_image_2021-02-02_14-59-42.png 1280w\"><\/noscript><\/figure>\n<p>Meta has to find a solution that lets it <span>tackle issues arising from problematic content in large groups, while also offering privacy.<\/span><\/p>\n<p>In <a href=\"https:\/\/thenextweb.com\/news\/facebook-papers-findings-list-analysis\">the Facebook papers<\/a>, a set of documents was revealed by ex-employee Frances Haugen, one of the documents indicated that the company was considering making groups with less than a certain number of members private. We\u2019ve asked the company if it plans to keep any limit on enabling encryption for public groups, and we\u2019ll update the story if we hear back.<\/p>\n<p>The company has had <a href=\"https:\/\/thenextweb.com\/news\/facebook-convinced-teens-to-sell-their-privacy-for-20\">a bad rep<\/a><a href=\"https:\/\/thenextweb.com\/news\/facebook-papers-findings-list-analysis\">with its privacy-related practices<\/a> in the past. While encrypting its messaging services is a good practice, it has to make sure that these apps don\u2019t become hubs for illegal content.<\/p>\n<p> <a href=\"https:\/\/thenextweb.com\/news\/facebook-meta-encryption-e2ee-2023-analysis\">Source<\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>It\u2019s been two years since Mark Zuckerberg made a bold statement in 2019 about wanting to integrate all of Facebook, er, Meta\u2019s messaging platforms \u2014 Messenger, Instagram, and WhatsApp \u2014 with end-to-end&#8230;<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":9094,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":[],"categories":[1],"tags":[],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.londonchiropracter.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/9093"}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.londonchiropracter.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.londonchiropracter.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.londonchiropracter.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.londonchiropracter.com\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcomments&post=9093"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/www.londonchiropracter.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/9093\/revisions"}],"wp:featuredmedia":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.londonchiropracter.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/media\/9094"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.londonchiropracter.com\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fmedia&parent=9093"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.londonchiropracter.com\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcategories&post=9093"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.londonchiropracter.com\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Ftags&post=9093"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}